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Planner4U: back
Planner4U: Where were we
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Tazsdad: Forgot to pay your AOL bill?
Planner4U: probably
Motley66: did I miss the #1 secret used by millionaires to accumulate wealth?
Planner4U: #1 secret was GREATER DETERMINATION
Rathbunjr: Yes you did, Life Insurance
Janga431: Frugal, frugal Motley66
Motley66: thanks Planner
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Planner4U: frugal was the key word in Millionaire Next door book
Motley66: I hear you there, Janga...know, live it (most of the time!)
TS1D: Hello
Tazsdad: Planner. what do i do with the insurance money?
Planner4U: The secret in order is Work Hard, Spend less than you make, Invest
the rest
Janga431: Me to Motley
Planner4U: Taz, sorry, I think I missed something when my computer kicked off
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Janga431: O K now invest in what?
Planner4U: Please ask a question again
Planner4U: Janga, certainly any type of qualified plan, IRA, 401K, TSA etc
should be looke at
Planner4U: expecially if your employer matches anything
Carstark: To retire at 50, need health care ? Any ideas on assumptions on
cost projections ? Now 41.
Janga431: Interest rates are soolow
Tazsdad: If i die with a $500,000 insurance policy, whats the best place for
her to put it for a
Planner4U: Car, no, but suggest evaluation of health insurance plans and long
term care policies
Tazsdad: monthly income
Motley66: Janga, are you looking for types of investments, like stocks,
mutual funds, etc.?
Planner4U: Taz, age of spouse?
Planner4U: and income required annually?
Janga431: Yes Planner, I am afraid of the stock market
Tazsdad: 34, 3 kids, $600 mortgage $450 carpayment
TRUSTEEXXX: taz, immediate and deferred annuity
Planner4U: Janga, the fear of the market may or may not be real, I will
explain
Janga431: O K
Motley66: why afraid of the stock market?
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Planner4U: Some people fear the ups and downs but over the long term those
will smooth out
Janga431: I don't like losing my hard earned money
Planner4U: But others simply CANNOT handle flucuations at any time for any
reason
Motley66: without getting too personal, Janga, can you give me a general idea
of your age?
Janga431: Generally 57
TS1D: Janga, General Motors will be a larger company 20 years from now, so
will General Electric
Janga431: Thanks
Planner4U: Janga, the real risk you face is loss of purchasing power which is
guaranteed as opposed to
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Planner4U: short term flucuations in the market
TRUSTEEXXX: how about an annuity indexed to the S&P with guarantees on the
downside?
Motley66: your chances, over the long term, of losing money in the stock
market, are slim to none
RAMold: What's your thoughts on international investments..paticularlly Hong
Kong stocks
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Janga431: OHH Motley if I could only believe that
Planner4U: Trust, that can certainly be a "have most of your cake and eat it
too" solution
Motley66: nice geneal answer Janga!
Planner4U: Motley, I agree mostly, but time horizon is critical in that
statement
Motley66: yes, time is a KEY factor
Planner4U: There have been several 10 year time periods where there was no
gain in for example the S&P
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Planner4U: Only one 20 year period, but that period started with the crash
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Planner4U: You must give up SHORT term volitility to gain LONG term gains
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Planner4U: Proper asset allocation will allow you to do that using the most
efficient portfolio
Planner4U: for your specific risk tolerance
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Planner4U: Life insurance can be used after becoming wealthy to pay for
estate taxes
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Janga431: How do we go about finding a stock broker that we feel we can
trust?
TS1D: If interest rates are 10% or higher get out of the market other wise
stay in
Carstark: Mold - Do you trust China to allow Hong Kong to run as a democratic
free agent ? If no, dont
Planner4U: Janga, best I can tell you is to ask your friends, accountant,
attorney for refferals
Janga431: O K
Planner4U: Look for people that will listen to you and ask you about YOU
Planner4U: before they tell you about what they SELL
Janga431: It is the once bit theory, with me & stock brokers
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TRUSTEEXXX: Janga, invest in a value fund that's been around for 40 or 50
years with a good record and
TRUSTEEXXX: you dont need a broker
Planner4U: Janga, you certainly have a large field to work with, perhaps a
financial planner would work
Planner4U: better for you, to do BIG PICTURE planning
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RAMold: TS1D...thanks..Yes I do think China will let Hong Kong open up their
markets and expand into
RAMold: China
Planner4U: Many planners and brokers actually can be more helpful to you if
they are skilled in
Planner4U: helping you define your goals and objectives
Planner4U: That is why I have a big problem with the question, "Whats a good
fund?"
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Planner4U: Check out the investment chat rooms and you always here, "Hey,
whats a good stock?"
Janga431: I guess there is no ONE fund huh?
Carstark: Mold - you are braver than I especially after Tiamenen Square
history.
Planner4U: RIGHT
Planner4U: there are over 8000 funds
Planner4U: 12000 if you include variable annuity accounts
TRUSTEEXXX: a "good fund" is one that when everything went down it went down
less than everyone else
Janga431: Is a variable annuity better than fixed?
Motley66: I agree...many good funds out there
Planner4U: Trustee, you just described a CD
RAMold: Carstark, the brave are the ones who make money....
Planner4U: Janga, no answer for that question, they are different, for
different risk tolerances
TRUSTEEXXX: but a CD has no decent upside potential
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Planner4U: Trustee, AH, so you have you ADD to your definition of a GOOD fund
Planner4U: Here is a great question to
ask...........................................
Carstark: Touche Mold - but what end of the sword will you be holding. That's
the fun ...
Planner4U: If you could ONLY buy ONE fund AND never sell it (stuck for life),
now which fund
Planner4U: would you buy?
Planner4U: Any suggestions from anyone?
RAMold: Carstark... you can't take the risk...buy Bond funds.....
Planner4U: I love asking this question
Motley66: S&P 500 Index--Vanguard
TRUSTEEXXX: again, the one with the best downside history
Planner4U: Motley66, great.....and the reason why you would do that?
Motley66: I wouldn't lose to the market, like 80% of the funds out there
GoodGuy252: Is it recommended to have Hi Yield Bond Funds in a retirement
portfolio?
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GoodGuy252: is
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Planner4U: Motley, unless of course you invested in August where 91% of
mutual funds BEAT the S&P
Motley66: I'm not talking short term here Planner...I thought you knew me
better than that
Planner4U: The problems I have with the SP index fund are, no foriegn
exposure and possibly of
Planner4U: management
Planner4U: no cash or fixed income
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Planner4U: and ONLY large cap stocks
Carstark: Mold - Don't mind risk, have many doubles & few triples.
Concentrated sovereign risk in 3rd
Carstark: World is a little too much.
Motley66: I've chatted with you before about that foreign thing...
Planner4U: Remember the S&P is not a real average, it is WEIGHTED by market
capitalization
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Planner4U: The DOW is actually the aritmetic average of the 30 stocks
Motley66: I still say that why invest in foreign markets when the U.S. has
many strong companies
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Planner4U: It is because of the diversification effect, the cornerstone fo
asset allocation
Motley66: I knew you were going to say that!
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TS1D: Planner,
Planner4U: yes
MEWDAW: diversification is great
VJohn85109: i need money
Planner4U: It is not just diversification, it is EFFICIENT diversification
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Planner4U: VJ, this is the wrong room for that
TS1D: If you invest in a fund that owns General Motors aren't you invested
overseas?
Planner4U: No one here has any........................................lol
Janga431: Good question TS1D
Planner4U: TS, not exactly, you of course have a US company that does
business overseas
Planner4U: Let me ask you this question, if the AUTO UNION strike here in US,
what does that do
PSHH: ANYONE KNOW WHAT DO SO WITH OLD SERIES E BONDS THAT NO LONGER EARN
INTEREST?
Planner4U: to JAPANEESE AUTO workers in JAPAN
Planner4U: I think the answer is NOTHING
TS1D: I agree
Planner4U: and that is my point
Planner4U: If you happen to own that Japaneese auto manufactuer, you can see
how the diversification
Motley66: so what you are saying is that one's investment mix should consider
short term events?
Planner4U: effect might work
Planner4U: No
Planner4U: That never works consistently
Planner4U: What I am saying is that there is one MIX of different types of
investments that
TS1D: But if the UAW strikes does that affect Opel
Motley66: when the auto union goes back to work, US auto companies will
eventually get back to normal
MEWDAW: check with your banker about E bonds
Planner4U: can give you the highest rate of return without exceeding your
risk tolerance
PSHH: HELLO-- anyone see my question on old bonds?
Planner4U: E Bonds, normally pay interest many years passed maturity
Planner4U: any bank can calulate that for you
PSHH: these are over 40 years old
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Janga431: What is the life span of E Bonds?
Planner4U: PS, you may have a point there, they may not be paying interest
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Planner4U: Motley66, If you don't have that ONE mix of investments, then you
are EITHER
PSHH: that is what someone told me but I do not know what to do with them
Planner4U: taking more risk than you want OR you are not getting as high a
rate of return
Planner4U: as you could
Carstark: Series E generally pay for 30 years plus a 10 year extension. After
40 probably earned nada
Janga431: Thanks Car
PSHH: can I claim interest from the government since they have had that money
all that time?
Planner4U: PS, sounds like you lucked out on the exact time to do something
Planner4U: Sorry all, I am 10 minutes over for tonight
Motley66: agree with the diversification theory, don't get me wrong
Planner4U: Thank you all for participation
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PSHH: you mean with the new tax law coming?
Janga431: Thank Planner!!
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Planner4U: Check out Roger Gibson's book, "Asset Allocation" 2nd edition